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Guest
Posted on Sun Feb 10, 2008 03:46:00  
Carmen 25

Please correct: "em tuas moles amcas"

Instead of: "em ruas moles ancas"

Thanks, Julio S Moraes
Rudy Negenborn
Posted at Wed Feb 13, 2008 09:12:21  Quote
Thanks, I made the correction.
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Posted at Sat Nov 01, 2008 21:42:10  Quote
In Carmen 25 lines 4-5

Thalle, turbida rapacior procella,
cum diva mulier aries ostendit oscitantes,

are meaningless. We can only suggest that this is an error of the copyist or a spelling mistake. Yet the translators at this site think that “diva mulier” means the moon or the goddess of the moon:.

"when the full moon shows the other guests starting to nod and yawn"

"plus rapace aussi que l'ouragan déchaîné quand la lune te montre les gens du vestiaire"

"allo, d'una tempesta rabbiosa quando la luna ti offer un donnaiolo che sbadiglia";

"quando a lua te mostra"

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I do think that such an interpretation is impossible because it has no poetic meaning. The moon is incompatible with the word “turbida” because at night people do not see whether the storm is “turbida” or not. It can be only in the daytime.

The only suggestion that I can make is that it is an error of the copyist and instead of “mulier” one ought to write “moles” – an enormous sea wave (a “tsunami”).

As to “aries”, it is in the vocative case, it relates to Thalle (Thallus, you the ram)

Diva means the accusative case of “divum” = “in the open sky.

Then

rapacior turbida procella, cum moles ostendit oscitantes diva,

grabbier than the nasty storm, when a great sea wave (a tsunami) shows (i.e. leaves) holes (“open mouths”) in everything that lies in the open sky.

Such a phrase does have a poetic meaning

Yours sincerely
Olga (Russia)
Cambrinus
Posted at Sun Jan 10, 2010 18:10:04  Quote
Quote:
  In Carmen 25 lines 4-5

Thalle, turbida rapacior procella,
cum diva mulier aries ostendit oscitantes,

are meaningless. We can only suggest that this is an error of the copyist or a spelling mistake. Yet the translators at this site think that “diva mulier” means the moon or the goddess of the moon:.

"when the full moon shows the other guests starting to nod and yawn"

"plus rapace aussi que l'ouragan déchaîné quand la lune te montre les gens du vestiaire"

"allo, d'una tempesta rabbiosa quando la luna ti offer un donnaiolo che sbadiglia";

"quando a lua te mostra"

====

I do think that such an interpretation is impossible because it has no poetic meaning. The moon is incompatible with the word “turbida” because at night people do not see whether the storm is “turbida” or not. It can be only in the daytime.

The only suggestion that I can make is that it is an error of the copyist and instead of “mulier” one ought to write “moles” – an enormous sea wave (a “tsunami”).

As to “aries”, it is in the vocative case, it relates to Thalle (Thallus, you the ram)

Diva means the accusative case of “divum” = “in the open sky.

Then

rapacior turbida procella, cum moles ostendit oscitantes diva,

grabbier than the nasty storm, when a great sea wave (a tsunami) shows (i.e. leaves) holes (“open mouths”) in everything that lies in the open sky.

Such a phrase does have a poetic meaning

Yours sincerely
Olga (Russia)

Line 5 is damaged in the manuscripts and not easy to restore. Quinn suggests 'diva Murcia arbitros ostendit oscitantes' (Murcia being the goddess of sloth or laziness), but diva seems unnecessary in that case. I am afraid that the true reading is probably lost.
 


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